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What is done cannot be undone


I think I liked it. But I think I would've liked it a lot better if it had been closer to the beginning of the season. I just don't really understand the point of going back - they already did that like the "THEN" showed and as Castiel said, "All roads lead to the same destination." so, uhm. Why'd they do it? After Dean was all, 'We gots to go back, yo.' Why didn't Castiel say something like, 'Hey, Deano. Remember when I sent you back in time before because I was bored and how you didn't actually do anything except get frustrated? Good times I mean for me but uh ... the same thing would happen this time around even if Sam were with us.'

That said.

My favourite part was Sam's face when him and Dean were at the door and he was seeing his Mommy and Daddy. Jared had real good face there.

My least favourite part was FakeUriel. What the fuck was with the different actor?

There were a handful of lines I really enjoyed but I can't think of any of them. Boo.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinkabell007.livejournal.com
My least favourite part was FakeUriel. What the fuck was with the different actor?

Well, I guess it was supposed to be portraying the younger version of Uriel's human vessel?

Date: 2010-02-05 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
That's what I thought as well. Probably the only clever thing about his random appearance. And I had a few lulz from "OH SHIT, MICHAEL. BITCH WAS LYIN'. I DIDN'T KNOW, SRY 2 SAY."

Date: 2010-02-05 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I thought that too but then I thought, 'Uh, no. That's stupid and doesn't make any sense.' If it was him younger and there was an ANGEL in his body the whole time - he wouldn't age would he? Seriously, I'm asking.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurondo.livejournal.com
Maybe he wasn't in that body the entire time?

Date: 2010-02-05 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I also had that thought too but everyone else was the same in the ep so I just thought that he should be too. I dunno. I guess I just wanted to see Uriel Uriel.

Date: 2010-02-05 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurondo.livejournal.com
I wanted to see Uriel, Uriel, too. But to be fair, Anna was only the same chick because she hadn't died yet. Uriel had died, which I guess meant he couldn't be the old version? Idfk. I'm too tired to make sense of it.

Date: 2010-02-05 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
But it was past him so he wasn't dead yet.

Date: 2010-02-05 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurondo.livejournal.com
lol, I don't even know. This show is confusing when you're tired, okay.

Date: 2010-02-05 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinkabell007.livejournal.com
True. But do you really think Uriel would stay in this body for over 30 days, constantly walking among the humans although he hates them?
I think it's more like a slip-in-and-slip-out kinda deal whenever angels need to walk the earth.

Date: 2010-02-05 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
That does make sense but still.

Date: 2010-02-05 06:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinkabell007.livejournal.com
But I have another question for ya. WHY on earth did they not use the knife on Lucifer to, you know, KILL him or something? Apparently Cas had it all along!
Now THAT is something I want to see sense in.

Date: 2010-02-05 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
because they're big fat stupid heads.

Date: 2010-02-05 10:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-05 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com
fans of Stargate: SG-1 will recall the 2-part episode 'Moebius' in which the team ends up going to Ancient Egypt for a specific device for the 'Gate and ends up trapped, some stuff happens, alternate timeline, blah blah blah, AU!team must go back in time and make sure the 'Gate and device stay on Earth for them to find in the present, more fighting, blah blah, AND APPARENTLY THE WHOLE 2-PART SEASON FINALE SHOWED US THAT PRETTY MUCH NOTHING CHANGED, BECAUSE THE ACTIONS OF THE AU!TEAM CANCELED OUT THE FAIL OF THE REAL!TEAM, SO IT WAS AN EXERCISE IN "NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, NOTHING CHANGES, ALL ROADS LEAD TO THE SAME DESTINATION."

lol I love me some SG1 if you can't tell ;)
tho there's a good chance I goofed up some of the facts about those eps since it's been a few years since I saw them... whatever, I'm over it haha



so uh... the ep was worth watching? this is vital information since I never watch when it airs anymore.
Edited Date: 2010-02-05 05:11 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-05 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
Then there was the major lulz of Continuum. I love time travel shit when they do it all cracky like ala SG1. SGA never did any, did they? Oh wait, yes. Season one. And SGU's time travel-ish ep was the best of the season so far.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com
I never made it to the end of the series, much less either of the movies. Tell me, how bad were they? lol My love for Jack O'Neill was too great to continue on once he essentially disappeared and the Ori came into the picture. Cam was cool, but I still remembered him as That Guy on Farscape.
But I agree, I always loved the time travel stuff ala SG1. Or eps like "Window of Opportunity" where they were stuck in the time-loop. Still better than "Mystery Spot" in my honest opinion.

I could never get into SGA for reasons I can't remember (I think I was pissy that they were getting cool stuff and SG1 was STILL dealing with Ba'al or something. idr) and SGU is a no-go for me. I'm such an elitist :P

Date: 2010-02-05 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
The Ark of Truth was HORRIBLE. While I was pretty well enjoying seasons 9 & 10 (helps I never could get into Farscape) despite the lack of motherfucking Jack O'Neill, I hated hated HATED the Ori so much. And TAOT wrapped up that storyline in such a monumentally LAME way. Then again, lame ending for a lame - and ANNOYING - villain. Continuum is worth it for the alternate universe stuff. And motherfucking Jack O'Neill.

Oh man, "Windows" is easily my all time favorite SG1 ep. I've seen it SO MANY times. Way better than SPN's "Mystery Spot", but I didn't like that one much to begin with.

I'm one of the odd fans and didn't find SGA hitting an interesting stride until seasons four and five. Seasons one through three were the Rodney McKay Show and I really don't like McKay that much, esp. not for an hour on a weekly basis. His charm was in his relatively limited screentime on SG1. But four and five branched out to different team members. Not to say there wasn't bogus nonsense happening then, but at least it was bogus nonsense happening to somebody OTHER than McKay.

SGU is ... not very good. I spent the first seven eps just railing it and wishing I hadn't promised to give it a full season before deciding if it sucked or not. Episode 8 was the time travel-ish one and it ruled. The one after it sucked and ep 10, the last ep aired before mid-season break, was pretty pimp. Esp. how it ended on an awesome cliffhanger.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com
When the Ori first showed up, I was intrigued. And then... it just got really old, really fast. I even got tired of the Anubis thing dragging on for so long.
btw, did they ever address what the Furlings looked like/where they went? I remember the Nox showing up in one ep, never to be seen again... but did we ever see the Furlings? other than the ep with Sam & Jack's wedding and all of the movie ideas Martin was pitching lol

I'm one of the odd fans and didn't find SGA hitting an interesting stride until seasons four and five. Seasons one through three were the Rodney McKay Show
See, that's the problem I had with it. I hated Rodney because of who he was on those few eps of SG1, and couldn't stand him pretty much having his own show. I heard it got so much better after season 3, which is just before I stopped watching.

I'll probably end up watching Continuum just to get my Jack O'Neill thirst quenched. If I could afford to buy the series, I would; I miss it so much and my SyFy rarely airs it anymore. And I wish I could go to a Stargate Convention. They look like so much fun :(


(sorry for making it all about Stargate up in here, Smidge)
Edited Date: 2010-02-05 05:39 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-05 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
but did we ever see the Furlings?

Nope. They referenced them a few times, about their tech and whatnot, but none ever appeared on the show.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com
oh. well, I guess I should be glad they left them kind of ~mysterious~ and didn't completely run that race into the ground.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
SGA had EVIL Asgard tho! They were harsh and I wish we'd gotten a sixth season to see more of them!

(Okay, I will shut up about SG too. :D)

Date: 2010-02-05 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com
oh, you did NOT just tempt me with Evil Asgard! great, now I'll HAVE to watch SGA :P

Loki always made me laugh. What a little shit-stirrer lol


(ok, ok. shutting up as well)

Date: 2010-02-05 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com
LOL I loved reading this conversation. jsyk. Made me all nostalgic for some SG-1.

Date: 2010-02-05 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rl2hb.livejournal.com
But what did change was that Earth then had a fully charged ZPM in their possession, allowing Atlantis to be rescued, and Daniel has a tape explaining the entire Stargate history and program without the trouble of actually filming it. All totally cool stuff. Plus, how amusing were the dorky Sam and Daniel? haha

Date: 2010-02-05 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com
oh yeah! I knew I was forgetting something really important about the plot. *facepalm* and I call myself a fan.
Thank you :)
I loved dorky Sam and Daniel <333

Date: 2010-02-05 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
It had it's moments.

Date: 2010-02-05 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-sally.livejournal.com
I think it isn't "can't be changed" but more like "angels won't let it be changed because of the master plan".
See, back in "In the Beginning" they just wanted to see if Dean could.. trick? Yellow eyes into going all evil-overlord-who-hasn't-read-the-list and start monologuing his plans, but know you had one angels that wanted to change things, one that wanted to 'fix' them, and one (or Heaven?) who was all like "Don't fuck with daddy's plan or I'll smite you".
So I guess... different rules and big brother makes the rules?

Date: 2010-02-05 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Oh.

I thought sending Dean back was to show him that no matter what Sam was going to be EVOL and Dean had better sit the fuck up and do SOMETHING about it or Castiel was going to hide Sam's body under a new building.

Which didn't make sense to me since Castiel had just said, 'You can't change the past. All roads lead to the same destination, yadda yadda God's plan blah blah wanna go play snooker, bestie?'

This of course all before Sam and Castiel became "friends" which, I'm not really sure when that happened. At first Castiel wouldn't or would barely shake Sam's hand. (Did he when they first met? I can't remember) and then from there on, I dunno, just mostly seemed like he tolerated Sam because Dean liked Sam but secretly Castiel wanted a lot more alone time with Dean because whenever Sam was around Dean focused all his attention on Sam and not him and Castiel didn't like that at all.

Date: 2010-02-05 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] not-sally.livejournal.com
I've been rewatching the whole thing (had my foot operated, long story) so most things are so fresh I can actually reply with some certainty!
In "In the Beginning" Castiel tells Dean that yeah, he hadn't deloreaned him to change stuff, but that now he knew what they (heaven) did, and sort of implied "pity YED has read the Evil Overlord rules".
When Sam first meets Cas, he fangirls al over him, Cas shakes his hand with both of his and calls him the kid with the demon's blood. So yeah, not an auspicious start.
I guess in the 70 or so days Cas hasn't been on the show he went to the sassy_otp community and got the memo Sam isn't bad, just misunderstood, and perhaps he figured he's got an in with Dean is Sam helps him? Either that or he's angling for a Winchester sandwich, to which I say, God speed, Cas.

Date: 2010-02-05 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-league.livejournal.com
But I think I would've liked it a lot better if it had been closer to the beginning of the season. I just don't really understand the point of going back

I agree so much. I was like ...but wasn't this already done in S4?

Jared was pretty damn amazing in this ep.

Uriel/Anna just pissed me off grrrrrrr.

Date: 2010-02-06 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I'm kind of glad to see Anna go.

Date: 2010-02-05 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eilan.livejournal.com
Also, what Michael said about it being a bloodline? So, Mary's family were hunters, and John's family are related to Cain & Abel? Wow. Talk about your lineage.

Date: 2010-02-06 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Though I guess if you believe in such things technically we're all related to Cain and Abel ... right?

Date: 2010-02-05 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goonies-nsd.livejournal.com
I am enjoying your logic right now. And I find it sorta hilarious that they included the scene with Castiel explaining it to him in the recap.

Date: 2010-02-06 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I just really do not understand the point of episodes like this.

Date: 2010-02-06 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apey1013.livejournal.com
[finally saw the ep]

Y'know what's one of the things I'm still kicking around in terms of the time travel funkiness? The garage. So, John's boss gets killed, right? And we know that by the time Sam is a baby John and his buddy Mike owned a garage. So, does this then mean that the authorities found the dead boss guy in his ransacked garage with a sigil on the wall and his eyes missing or did the Michael clear that up? If he left it, did it make any other hunters' spidey-senses tingle? And since the boss is dead, were John and Mike then the only mechanics around and, like, offered to buy the garage off of Boss Guy's widow or WHAT? Obsessively over-thinking minds want to know.

Date: 2010-02-06 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Why do you gotta ask such hard questions? :p I'm going to go with Michael 'fixing' everything.

Date: 2010-02-06 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apey1013.livejournal.com
Because I'm obsessed with this image of two 70s-era buddy cops coming across a dead mechanic with no eyes. There would be a funk-style theme song. Because I'm a dork.

Date: 2010-02-06 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I'd totally watch that show.

Date: 2010-02-06 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essene.livejournal.com
What you said:
I think I liked it. But I think I would've liked it a lot better if it had been closer to the beginning of the season. I just don't really understand the point of going back - they already did that like the "THEN" showed and as Castiel said, "All roads lead to the same destination." so, uhm. Why'd they do it? After Dean was all, 'We gots to go back, yo.' Why didn't Castiel say something like, 'Hey, Deano. Remember when I sent you back in time before because I was bored and how you didn't actually do anything except get frustrated? Good times I mean for me but uh ... the same thing would happen this time around even if Sam were with us.'

I just...whatever.

Date: 2010-02-06 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Pretty much, yeah

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