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I have a question or two about last night's episode.

A handful of you have said / pointed out that the diner scene was a homage to the Pulp Fiction diner scene.

I'm going to assume you mean the one with "Any of you fucking pricks move, and I'll execute every motherfucking last one of ya!"

And if that is the scene.

How did you make the connection? Because I did not see that at all. Not even a little inkling of a feeling that Pulp Fiction was the answer to "What movie/show are we ripping off right now?"

It's been along while since I've seen Pulp Fiction and I don't remember much.

So, what line or movement or look was it that led you to Pulp Fiction?

ETA: All right. I clearly missed something because the Pulp Fiction vs Slash Fiction gif that was pointed out to me, shows how obvious it was. I'm not sure if I turned my head, left the room or something else because yeah. Clearly missed the slap in the face.

* * *

Also, I saw a little bit of an interview where Jensen said that they would sometimes change lines and one of them was a recent thing that they wanted to "man-up"

Was that the scene with Sam walking away in a huff?

And if so, how was THAT "maned-up"?

Date: 2011-10-29 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedgrdn.livejournal.com
Ugh, is this episode as bad as the episode title suggests it might be? Because I don't want to watch it if it's just fan service and nothing more. Feel free to spoil me. I want to know what I'm getting in to.

Date: 2011-10-29 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
It's bad (because when hasn't Supernatural been bad recently?) but it's also sort of okay in areas. Somehow.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedgrdn.livejournal.com
I just watched it and I have to say I liked it. It wasn't hokey or fan service-y and at this point it's the best I can ask for in an SPN ep this season. :)

Date: 2011-10-29 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I have a feeling if I wasn't so nitpicky and also pmsing, I might have liked it more than I did.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedgrdn.livejournal.com
Mmh, that's ok. I have to admit I've been skeptical all season, but so far it hasn't disappointed me. And hey, it's been better than allll of season 6 so far and we're only six eps in, LOL. There's a bright side here. I think. :D

Date: 2011-10-29 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
That, huh? I guess I turned my head or stepped out of the room because I don't remember seeing that.

Date: 2011-10-29 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
It was at the very beginning of the movie. Revisited from a different perspective near the end, when they were doing the Vince and Jules scenes.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherrymmm.livejournal.com
I have seen Pulp Fiction many times and I saw the homage immediately. I also felt that the title could in no way be associated with fandom definition of slash fiction so I wasn't worried about that.

I liked the ep. I've liked the season as a whole so far but that could be due to my pre-occupation with real life badness that has been going on recently. I may not be as tuned in as I used to be.

Also, the dialogue change that everyone keeps referencing was really a line change I think. It was supposed to be Sam saying to Dean "I can't even look at you right now." They balked and changed it to what he said last night. Not a big change, just a little less estrogen-centric.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Yeah, since it was pointed out ... it's pretty obvious. Like, I mentioned in the eta I clearly somehow missed something.

I also felt that the title could in no way be associated with fandom definition of slash fiction

??? Okay, that I refuse to believe. :) How is that possible? I mean, the Pulp Fiction thing alone was done between a couple who were madly in love.

And ahhh. Okay. But then I still don't understand why Sam didn't punch him in the face.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherrymmm.livejournal.com
Okay, yes, the couple reference was there. I meant the NC-17 slash fiction that is everywhere (that I enjoy online too!) would not be a theme for the show. ;)

Also, I believe Sam should have punched him in the face too!

Date: 2011-10-29 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
??? Okay, that I refuse to believe. :) How is that possible? I mean, the Pulp Fiction thing alone was done between a couple who were madly in love.

If you really want to, you can take it to mean that. I never did, but I've never been a Wincester, either. It's all in perception.

Date: 2011-10-29 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Oh, for sure there are people who won't especially those that aren't in fandom and such. But for a lot of us? I do think part of the title was meant in a pairing sort of way.

Date: 2011-10-29 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
I saw it like a combination of the "slash" of the horror genre and a play on the Pulp Fiction title. It doesn't bother me if anyone else sees it in the other manner. Because we all see things in the show differently anyways.

Date: 2011-10-29 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
For me, honestly, it was the moment one - can't recall who - goes, "So, are we ready to do this?" Prior to that, though, it reminded me of the the diner scene in Natural Born Killers. And subsequent massacre was reminiscent of Mickey and Mallory Knox, with the way they fucked with the victims on the video.

Date: 2011-10-29 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
My head was not in the game. Though to be fair, it usually isn't. Because now that it's been pointed out how obvious it was and not just pointed out that it was, it was very clearly a slap in the face and yet. Whoosh right over my head. Sad.

Date: 2011-10-29 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donna-c-punk.livejournal.com
I feel like that a lot of the time, too. I bet if I sat through it again, I could pick up more references I missed during the first viewing. I have to say, it bugged me when Frank called them the "psycho Butch and Sundance". Sure, they were criminals, but even throwing "psycho" in front of their names doesn't quite make sense. He'd have been more accurate to refer to them as Bonnie & Clyde, esp. with the violence and bank robbing. Then again, a lot of shit in this ep would've been different had I wrote it. Like ... it probably wouldn't have existed. Except maybe the Sam tells Dean to get the fuck out of his eyesight part.

Date: 2011-10-30 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Like ... it probably wouldn't have existed. Except maybe the Sam tells Dean to get the fuck out of his eyesight part.

Hahahahaa. That would've been a really short yet great episode. Would Sam have punched Dean before telling Dean to get the fuck out of his eyesight?

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