Supernatural 4x04 Metamorphosis

[certainthings]

Supernatural 4x04 Metamorphosis

Lorne: Hey. Something troubling you, bubby?
Groo: Indeed. I am confused.
Lorne: About what?
Groo: Angel. His inaction puzzles me. When Connor was taken from him he moved heaven and Tarkna to try and win him back.
Lorne: Yeah, he sure did. Hence our weekly scrubbing of the lobby floor.
Groo: But now that his son is here, he does nothing.
Lorne: Well, sometime nothing is the best something. If a thing is meant to be somethimes it is best to just let it happen rather than try to force it.
Groo: But if a thing is meant to be then how can it be forced?
Lorne: Well, I guess it can't.
Groo: And if a thing is not meant to be?
Lorne: Well, then it really can't. Just because someone hops a dimension or two is no guarantee that things will work out. - Well, aren't you just sneaky with the subtext?

I liked this ep. Mostly. I don't, I can't and I will not accept that Sam and Ruby are sleeping together. I just ... I don't get how that's a thing.

I would've liked for Sam to hit Dean back but I guess we can't always get what we want. However it was nice that things are now known.

This was the ep that myself, culturegeek76 and gimlisgloin saw being filmed.

[these things from when we were watching the filming]

When the guy (now known as Jack) was sitting on the bus stop bench, I said that it was because he was waiting for the bus and that he really wanted to go to Dairy Queen and the bus was late and so he was phoning Sam and Dean to ask for a lift.

They spent a good fucking long time getting the scene set up and then shooting the scene of Jack climbing the fire escape to look look in the girl's window.

There was a stunt double who was all harnessed up and had a helmet on, he was hoisted onto a garbage bin and then from there he sorta jumped up to the fire escape and yeah.



For the show I thought they would've photoshopped out the garbage bin ... though I guess you couldn't really see it and I thought they would've showed more uh, stunt action. There was a crane that they had to rent and I know that Russ was kind of irrated about the whole thing because of the cost and I'm sure others were too and for just that to be shown? Bah. I mean, obviously I know that they can't show 'Hey, look we got this guy harnessed and here's the crane that's going to lift him up.' But there could've been something.

I know that they don't film things in sequence but I don't get why they don't or couldn't film Sam and Dean getting out of the car and then running to the girl's apartment together. Jared and Jensen were standing in the street before they started running. The video clip I uploaded of them standing around, that's where they were before they ran. Maybe they were back a couple of feet but that's only a maybe.

When Sam and Dean were running to the apartment I turned to culturegeek76 and jokingly said, 'Wow, that was really good, I actually believed that they were running.' But on the show? Yeah, not so much. I mean I get and saw that they were but seeing it in person? It WAS actually more believable. For serious.



That's the apartment building and the under appreciated garbage bin. Jared was sitting by the doors of the aparment building talking and/or texting on his cell when he tried to stand up three times before someone helped him up.

It took the girl screaming about 4 or 5 takes (she screamed when Sam and Dean weren't around) and each time it was horrible. I was told that they were going to dub over it and make it better. I'm glad they did.

Yeah ...

Comments

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

God no.

[bitterbird.livejournal.com]

nice angel quote
I cant believe that Sam would sleep with Ruby just yeah no
and awesome that this was the ep you saw!

[doublehelix20.livejournal.com]

But he has puppy dog eyes just like Sam!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but he was a guy being possessed and now he's a dead body being puppeted by an angel. I just ... I can't get into that.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I like it.
They can't be ... just fucking no.
Mmmhmm.

[doublehelix20.livejournal.com]

And I don't like incest, but that doesn't mean the show doesn't ask for it.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

They cannot - Clarity and I debated this last week and I was all 'no, if it . . . it would not be Sam at all and what the hell' I still am and not only that I refuse to see him written that way plus with the 'implications' that comes with . . .

BIG FAT NO. I can take alot, but that I can't and will not take.

ETA: Also 'Cas'? Does not sit with me and I can't get that into that either.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

"Cas" is fucking stupid and they better cut that shit out right now.

[goonies-nsd.livejournal.com]

Someone at the con asked if SamnRuby were doin' it, and Jared said "They were doing something..." I wonder if he was just doing the girl and then later on she showed up all possessed by Ruby.

I suck at theories, so feel free to rip to shreds. lolz.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

What?

The incest between Mary and Stan/her dad was wrong and icky. All incest between Sam and Dean is fictionally fiction and I personally only read the kind where it's between two alive consenting boys.

I don't get how incest and sleeping with someone being possessed by a demon is the same.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Huh, maybe. I just ... I dunno.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

I couldn't have said it any better. THANK YOU. Just hell no.

Also, I know my default looks very odd in this conversation given the topic but when you do read the beginning of the lit project I sent last night the explanation is very clear (in the bottom of page 8 and it'll probably get more clear as I go on) and there is nothing like S/R implied I made sure of that and it's the same way in the unwritten (currently) adult!verse so there's nothing to make anyone run screaming. Just a heads up because yeah I thought about this because quite a few people have the same pages I sent you and I didn't want ya'll to open it and think about this or whatever . . . *confused* ;)

Also, OT, but why must Brendan wear such BAD golf clothes? They get worse every time he's out. LOL.

[goonies-nsd.livejournal.com]

I agree though... if they are actually "doing it" (snorfle), it would not be a good thing. Just in terms of how we're supposed to believe there are certain lines Sam won't cross. Screwing a possessed girl would be crossing that line, and Sam is trying to continue to do The Right Thing. I would be disappointed in him. Not because I'm some Ruby-hater, but just because... ANY demon, yanno? ick.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I strongly agree, I'm one of the very few who likes Ruby so it's nothing against HER, it's the whole rape/necrophilia thing that I'm against. *nods*

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Okay, and hey even if you had it written it as like Sam/Ruby doing it ... I would be okayish with it because it's extra fiction and not the Sam I know and yeah.

I didn't realize that he did wear bad golf clothes or that there were new photos out.

[goonies-nsd.livejournal.com]

EWWWW NECROPHILIA. I DIDN'T THINK OF IT THAT WAY.

I don't have much against her. I'm sorta confused with what she's doing there anymore though. She's just kinda... there. haha

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

I know it's different but it's hard for me even imagine that for Sam (or anything I write even though I like Ruby this is just a whole nother level of wrong,IMO) because I just can't . . but I see where you're coming from. :D

Just so you know (and I will probably get more into it because I'm writing ATM too) it's like there's three forms (human, demon, ect) kept in a 'charm tracker' it's sort of complicated but since this is for lit class (and has to be way more simple) it's like 3 in 1 and the charm is kind of like a 'lock box' where they can pick and choose the form they have or want to use and my demons are drastically different but um you get the idea right? If not I promise It'll make sense when you do read it LOL.

Not bad, persay I just think they look odd on him or it's not him and I just think Golf clothes lack fashion sense see here -October 8 (or any other ones) :D

[morgaine22.livejournal.com]

I don't, I can't and I will not accept that Sam and Ruby are sleeping together. I just ... I don't get how that's a thing.

You know, the mere implication that they are, which the show is going to great lengths to put out there (her bra in his room, that demon suggesting it in this one), made me throw up my hands and very nearly give up on Sam as a character completely. He is hanging on by the SKIN OF HIS TEETH in my book. I mean, when Dean punched the shit out of him, I was CHEERING. Like, knock some sense into him! (The second punch had me laughing with glee. And THAT'S for being a WHORE.)

The thing is, I used to LOVE Sam. LOVE LOVE LOVE. WAY more than Dean. Because I like the GOOD GUYS. But this entire arc with Dean getting back and, as your quote hints at, Sam doesn't really care? ugh. Careful careful careful, Supernatural. If they make him too much of a shithead, there's no coming back from THAT either.

[crooked.livejournal.com]

so far, i'm really down with this season of SPN. it's, on the whole, making me happy.

but i am sick to death of the ARE THEY!?/AREN'T THEY?! deal with Sam and Ruby. all the little implications that it's more than the honing Sam's psychic powers are wearing really thin. and it's only been 4 episodes. :|

[not-sally.livejournal.com]

You have no idea how much I love it when you link BtVS/Ats quotes with SPN.
Freaking awesome.

[heizqu.livejournal.com]

I don't think Sam is sleeping with Ruby. I sure hope not. Just. NO.

[lembeau.livejournal.com]

When the demon said "sluttin' around", I didn't get that feeling that it was being used as a euphemism for sleeping together. I've always heard that phrase used in reference to (two or more) people who go out, get really drunk and try to sleep with strangers, but not with each other, slutting around town.

I think Kripke's heavy handing the innuendo to screw with us and because he knows we're all going to freak. And if we're freaking about this, we aren't going to see what's coming. Though if Sam really is, then I guess that could be perversely seen as Sam taking his first bite of longpig, cuz as we are all saying, Sammy would never do that but if he did, then he's a goner for sure.

How was Jared sitting that he needed help getting up? lol.

Mostly this ep left me feeling sad.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

*nods* They really just need to come out and say that they are NOT doing it because that's really the only acceptable answer.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

This is good because I enjoy doing it

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I just ... It cannot be.