certainthings

Angel: Buffy, you know, I'm still figuring things out. There's a lot I don't understand. But I do know it's important to keep fighting. I learned that from you.
Buffy: But we never...
Angel: We never win.
Buffy: Not completely.
Angel: We never will. That's not why we fight. We do it 'cause there's things worth fighting for.


Kate: My whole life has been about being a cop. If I'm not part of the force it's like nothing I do means anything.
Angel: It doesn't.
Kate: Doesn't what?
Angel: Mean anything. In the greater scheme or the big picture, nothing we do matters. There's no grand plan, no big win.
Kate: You seem kind of chipper about that.
Angel: Well, I guess I kinda worked it out. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters - then all that matters is what we do. 'Cause that's all there is. What we do, now, today - I fought for so long.  For redemption, for a reward - finally just to beat the other guy, but... I never got it.
Kate: And now you do?
Angel: Not all of it. All I wanna do is help. I wanna help because - I don't think people should suffer as they do. Because if there is no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness - is the greatest thing in the world.


Angel: You're starting to feel it, aren't you? How close you are now ... to hell?
Spike: What if I am? Not like it's such a big, bleeding deal, is it? If a ponce like you could break out.
Angel: I never escaped from hell. All I got was a short reprieve. Not even sure how I managed that.
Spike: Oh, put your martyr away, Mahatma. Fred told me all about your great, shining prophecy. Pile up all your good deeds and get the big brass ring handed to you like everything else.
Angel: Except for one small catch. The prophecy's a bunch of bull. They all are. Nothing's written in stone or fated to happen, Spike. You save the world, you end up running an evil law firm.
Spike: Or playin' Casper with one foot in the fryer.
Angel: You think any of it matters? The things we did? The lives we destroyed - that's all that's ever gonna count. So, yeah, surprise. You're going to hell. We both are.
Spike: Then why even bother? Try to do the right thing, make a difference...
Angel: What else are we gonna do?
Spike: So that's it, then. I really am going to burn.
Angel: Welcome to the club.


Angel: Look, if you separate yourself from the ones you love, the monster wins.

Supernatural 4x04 Metamorphosis

Lorne: Hey. Something troubling you, bubby?
Groo: Indeed. I am confused.
Lorne: About what?
Groo: Angel. His inaction puzzles me. When Connor was taken from him he moved heaven and Tarkna to try and win him back.
Lorne: Yeah, he sure did. Hence our weekly scrubbing of the lobby floor.
Groo: But now that his son is here, he does nothing.
Lorne: Well, sometime nothing is the best something. If a thing is meant to be somethimes it is best to just let it happen rather than try to force it.
Groo: But if a thing is meant to be then how can it be forced?
Lorne: Well, I guess it can't.
Groo: And if a thing is not meant to be?
Lorne: Well, then it really can't. Just because someone hops a dimension or two is no guarantee that things will work out. - Well, aren't you just sneaky with the subtext?

I liked this ep. Mostly. I don't, I can't and I will not accept that Sam and Ruby are sleeping together. I just ... I don't get how that's a thing.

I would've liked for Sam to hit Dean back but I guess we can't always get what we want. However it was nice that things are now known.

This was the ep that myself, culturegeek76 and gimlisgloin saw being filmed.

[these things from when we were watching the filming]

When the guy (now known as Jack) was sitting on the bus stop bench, I said that it was because he was waiting for the bus and that he really wanted to go to Dairy Queen and the bus was late and so he was phoning Sam and Dean to ask for a lift.

They spent a good fucking long time getting the scene set up and then shooting the scene of Jack climbing the fire escape to look look in the girl's window.

There was a stunt double who was all harnessed up and had a helmet on, he was hoisted onto a garbage bin and then from there he sorta jumped up to the fire escape and yeah.



For the show I thought they would've photoshopped out the garbage bin ... though I guess you couldn't really see it and I thought they would've showed more uh, stunt action. There was a crane that they had to rent and I know that Russ was kind of irrated about the whole thing because of the cost and I'm sure others were too and for just that to be shown? Bah. I mean, obviously I know that they can't show 'Hey, look we got this guy harnessed and here's the crane that's going to lift him up.' But there could've been something.

I know that they don't film things in sequence but I don't get why they don't or couldn't film Sam and Dean getting out of the car and then running to the girl's apartment together. Jared and Jensen were standing in the street before they started running. The video clip I uploaded of them standing around, that's where they were before they ran. Maybe they were back a couple of feet but that's only a maybe.

When Sam and Dean were running to the apartment I turned to culturegeek76 and jokingly said, 'Wow, that was really good, I actually believed that they were running.' But on the show? Yeah, not so much. I mean I get and saw that they were but seeing it in person? It WAS actually more believable. For serious.



That's the apartment building and the under appreciated garbage bin. Jared was sitting by the doors of the aparment building talking and/or texting on his cell when he tried to stand up three times before someone helped him up.

It took the girl screaming about 4 or 5 takes (she screamed when Sam and Dean weren't around) and each time it was horrible. I was told that they were going to dub over it and make it better. I'm glad they did.

Yeah ...

"Listen….you mind just gettin’ this over with, huh? ‘Cause I really can’t stand the monologuing."

"Alright, I get it. You're evil. Do we have to chat about it all day?"

"It’s never gonna be over. There’s gonna be others. There’s always gonna be somethin’ to hunt."

"They always come. And they always will."

Alonna: Remember when we were kids - in that shelter on Plummer Street, hmm? Second floor was all rotted out. You used to dare kids to cross, and of course you were the best at it, because you were the ... you were the bravest. I wanted to be like you so bad, so I went up, and the floor gave out. I would have broken my neck, but you'd been watching me the whole time. You were standing right below - and you caught me. Ever since I can remember you've been looking out for me. But you don't have to any more, because I'm good, and it's my turn to look out for you now."
Gunn: How?
Alonna: Look at you. You're running and hiding, cold and hungry. You call that living? You're the one that's falling now. Let me catch you. Don’t you want to stop falling?

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Wesley: There is a design, Angel. Hidden in the chaos as it may be, but - it's there - and you have your place in it.