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I'm afraid this is going to sound offensive and it's really not meant to. / disclaimer.

I was thinking about Supernatural and Sam last night and this morning and I've come to the conclusion that Sam Winchester is autistic* or Jared's kind of portraying him that way.

Wait, wait. Hear me out.


*and not soulless.

Castiel asked Sam what he was feeling and Sam said he wasn't because he has no feelings. / this paraphrased.
And yet, Sam's had several expressions since his "soulless" return.
I'm not an expert but it seems that if you're not feeling anything you wouldn't have any expressions. You'd just be neutral.

Years ago I watched a documentary on faaaaaaaaaaaaaaces [The Human Face hosted by John Cleese]**

One of the people he talked to was a college aged boy (I think he was around that age) who had Asperger's. Now, I don't remember exactly how their conversation went but basically the boy said that he modelled his facial expressions on what expression(s) the person he was talking to had.

And it seems that it is sort of what Sam is doing. Seriously, it does.

I was also looking at the symptoms on this page and I believe Sam has a couple of them.

**It was a really good documentary and if you haven't seen it, you should. And if possible you should tell me where, if possible, one might be able to download it because I'd love to see it again.


* * *

I'm considering changing my name on this here livejournal. I'll probably wait until the New Year to do so if I do.

* * *

Hi new friends!

Yeeee more people to share the Lost Girl loooooooooove. *high-fives* all round.

Date: 2010-11-08 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resounding-echo.livejournal.com
I'm like five episodes behind on SPN so I've no opinion there, but I will say that my lj name change was the best thing I ever did in fandom (despite loving every flist member I've had since the old name). Do it.

Any potential names yet?

Date: 2010-11-08 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I was just thinking of going with Micmezle

Date: 2010-11-08 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muses-circle.livejournal.com
Actually, I think Sam acts more like Spock or Data - neither of them had emotions, and so looked at things totally logically. They still had some facial expressions which mimicked "emotion".

Date: 2010-11-08 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
That also makes sense. Hmm.

Date: 2010-11-08 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
As an autistic person myself, I need to correct your misconception here.

Autistic people have emotions. We just don't show them in our faces. I've been told many times that I am incredibly hard to read because of this.

Not showing emotions is not the same thing as not having emotions.

Date: 2010-11-08 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Oh, no no. I know that. I guess I didn't express myself properly. I meant that if Sam really was soulless and didn't have any feelings or emotions that way then he wouldn't be showing any expressions. But if he were autistic and had feelings (like people do) he just maybe wouldn't know how to express himself the way someone without autism would.

Does that make sense? I'm not that good at saying what I want, in real life I gesture a lot and say, 'you know?' and the other person is like, 'No.' Then I'm like, 'Oh.' and then we stop talking.

*waves*

Date: 2010-11-08 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taintedangel80.livejournal.com
Hiya! =)

Good theory on Sam. I dunno why but I think the whole "boy without a soul" was just the easiest way for them to make a story for Sam this season. I am really hoping it is more than just Crowley holding Sam's soul, because that is actually sort of... Boring.

Re: *waves*

Date: 2010-11-08 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
:)

I just ... I dunno, I don't like the way Jared's portraying "soulless/ no emotions" and last night/this morning I realized that he was reminding me of the boy that was interviewed in the documentary and yeah.

Or that he's holding it for a reason (I'd say "good" but on this show? Hah!) and not just for "haha. I got your soul."

Date: 2010-11-08 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eilan.livejournal.com
HI.
*waves some more*

huh.
Interesting thought.

If you change your name, can I still call you Smidgle McDidgle in my head?

Date: 2010-11-08 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
You can call me anything you'd like.

Date: 2010-11-08 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-league.livejournal.com
You make some good points, woman.

Aww, what would you change your name to? I like smidgy06. <3

Date: 2010-11-08 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Thank you.

If I changed it it would be changed to Micmezle.

Date: 2010-11-08 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agt-league.livejournal.com
Oh that's cool. I like that also. :)

Date: 2010-11-08 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Heh. Good to know.

Date: 2010-11-08 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paperscout.livejournal.com
Haha oh man, don't even get me started on this season of Supernatural. I knew they were doing the "something's wrong with Sam" thing from the beginning, of course, and Samuel too, but the writing's just been...off. And because the writing's been off, it's felt like the acting's been off. And... *contains self from long rant about SPN 1-5 vs now, backs away slowly...*

But yay Lost Girl friending meme! :)

Date: 2010-11-09 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah. If you wanna say things about Supernatural go right ahead. I watch the show and despite all my bitching deep down I do like the show but I'm kind of an asshole fan and have never thought that the writing or acting was/is very, uhm ... good.

Date: 2010-11-08 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigmamag.livejournal.com
It could also be a sociopath/psychopath thing. I can't remember, but did he say he can't feel emotions? Maybe it's just that he has no empathy, like he has no capacity to care about others or anything but what benefits him or what will help him achieve his goals. I read a cool forum once with an anon girl who was a high-functioning sociopath who learned easily how to fake emotion and she even described how, when she was a little girl, people were unnerved by her unblinking stare, so she learned that if she moved her head side to side as she talked or paid attention to it, she blinked and looked more normal.

Or Jared is just going for a robot. Without the awesome dance included.

Date: 2010-11-08 05:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] spinfrog.livejournal.com
Yes, I was going with "sociopath" too! But he is a "good" sociopath who knows that Dean knows best! Or something :P

Date: 2010-11-09 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
That could also be. Hmm.

Maybe for sweeps Sam will start some awesome robot dance.

Date: 2010-11-08 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlestclouds.livejournal.com
I've come to the conclusion that Sam Winchester is autistic*

OMG. I thought the same thing when I was watching that episode.

/autistic person

Date: 2010-11-08 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] later-tuesday.livejournal.com
OT, but your cat icon is adorkable!

Date: 2010-11-09 02:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-09 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I know there are different uhm ...levels? some word that I can't think of at the moment to autism but Sam was reminding me of the one dude in the documentary and yeah. It's nice that you also see this in Sam.

Date: 2010-11-09 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlestclouds.livejournal.com
Yeah, I definitely had a "Whoooa, Sam kinda reminds me of me!" moment during that episode.

Date: 2010-11-08 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heartsonwings.livejournal.com
Interesting theory :) can't really add to it cos I don't know anything about Autisim

Name changes are good, what do you want to change it to?

Date: 2010-11-09 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] certainthings.livejournal.com
I don't know anything about it either except what I saw in that documentary.

If I change it, it will be to Micmezle.

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