Supernatural 5x02

[certainthings]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahfuckinghahahahahaha. Did that seriously just happen?

Sam: I have a problem, Dean. I'm making it seem like splitting up is best for us but really I'm reaching out for help ... please.
Dean: Yeah, well ... fuck ya later, Sammy boy. I got my boy, Cas. And Bobby's around too, so I'm good. Truth is we don't really need you, anymore.
Sam: Uh ...
Dean: Git along, little doggie and all that.
Sam: So, I guess I'll be going then. Maybe I'll try Yemen.
Dean: All right. You want to take the car since I have everything else?
Sam: Nah, I'll just travel hobo style. Well, here I go. This is me leaving. I'm walking away now.
Dean: La la la la.

Comments

[lavendergaia]

I think the talking they did in this episode was really healthy and productive. I thought Dean was going to keep being passive aggressive, but see what happens when you listen and have an adult conversation? Shit gets done.

I've never drank before and I never planned on drinking, but there's a first time for everything and Castiel will be that first time. If Sam falls off the wagon, I can join him.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

*nod* At least something got done even if it is painful, but I suppose they won't ever learn that whenever they're apart it usually has bad timing. BOYS. *sigh*

Hey we can all fall off the wagon, so long as I'm not near that Dean / Castiel show wagon I'm all for it and yeah me either but I think in this case we may have to drink.

[lavendergaia]

I would much rather them take some time apart and work through all their issues now than bury it and come back to it in some epic angst midseason where Dean cries at the side of the road like they've done for the past FOUR YEARS, KRIPKE.

Life-ruining addiction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life-ruining Dean/Castiel show.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

But if they do that I like, don't want to just be a confession at the very end of an episode, you know? I'd like to see mid ep, everything looked at all the crap laid out and then they can pick themselves back up piece by piece because there SO is no easy fix for this one. If Kripke does the easy fix I'm going to get bit miffed. Which if they bury it and come back to it it's gonna suck, cause I know it's gotta be painful right now, but damn.

Life-ruining addiction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life-ruining Dean/Castiel show.

*AGREED*

[lavendergaia]

I think they're going to stretch this out for a few eps, show the boys trying to piece themselves back together before they start piecing their relationship back together. Hopefully make them and their brotherhood a lot more solid and less likely to crumble a few episodes later. Because right now they can't get anything done and I'm glad they recognize that and aren't fighting like teenagers again.

Do I want to start with vodka or triple sec...?

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

I hope they do that, and I also hope if EVERYTHING gets laid out that EVERYTHING means EVERYTHING (Castiel letting Sam out, Dean breaking the first seal) otherwise it's not going to piece them back together and it's just going to be the same mess over again, IMO.

I'd honestly do the 'drinking game' bit and just only knock it back when Castiel and Dean are on screen together at this point, I haven't totally figured it out. If they're trying to get Dean/Castiel to be SamandDean v. 2.0 next week I am so not buyin' it

[lavendergaia]

The thing I fear is that Castiel will come clean about letting Sam out and make excuses and Dean will just be like "Whatev." I think that would piss me off more than if it didn't come out at all. I think Sam really really needs to bring up the voice mail to sort that all out and then they can hug.

I wish it wasn't Jeremy Carver writing because I feel like there isn't enough knowledge of his preferences (other than that he wants to do the Mary show) to judge how it's going to go. But if they do, I'll just have to have things to throw at the TV.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

Oh man. I have that same fear. That Dean will just let it go because he's all buddy-buddy with Castiel and will let it go instead of giving Castiel the epic showdown over it. Also, the thing I'm worried over, is that Dean won't realize that he's been played by Castiel (in s4 and even now I suppose?) just as much as Sam was with Ruby. That bothers me so much right now, because IMO, sure they're angels, but IMO, in reality to me they are no better than demons in this show. Also, yes, about the phone.

Yeah, with Carver it's kind of....out there, in the sense you don't know what you might get. But I suspect there will be booze and yelling and maybe shoe throwing, judging from promos.

[lavendergaia]

Yeah, exactly. And because Kripke is a wimp and doesn't want to upset the fangirls. I don't trust Castiel as far as I can throw him. He's never done anything remotely right and the fact that he thinks God is doing this is pretty much proving to me that it's not because he's never been right about anything.

Oh, yay, my neighbors are going to be so happy with me yelling at 10 at night.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

THIS. SO much ITA. I have NEVER never trusted Castiel. from 4.01 on. He's done nothing remotely right and I pointed out to someone he pretty much contradicted himself earlier in S4 with that whole "I don't follow a human's orders" thing but then turns around (I think this was in 'Great Pumpkin') and says something along the lines of how he was waiting for dean's orders (I don't remember the exact line, but that's implied when he says it) which that's the moment I had it. And, yeah some people might look at it as a good vs. evil thing but right now I totally don't see a line. PLUS the angels wanted the war. THEY WANTED the Apocalypse, I mean I don't know about you but that gives me the *shifty eyes*. They're all in on this crap, and to pretend like they want to stop it is crap because they wanted it to start.

SO WTF...?

If the angels are such douchebags I'd rather pick a demon at least then you know you're going to be screwed with and what you're in for straight up. *shuts up* LOL I mean I could be totally off base but yeah...

I don't know if my folks are going to be too happy with me but *crosses fingers* Though, it really doesn't look like it ends well for us.

[lavendergaia]

Seriously, he's always followed his own decisions and I know people want to pretend that he's Deans BFF FOREVER, but I don't think he's in it for anything other than himself and his own beliefs. When he wouldn't shake Sam's hand, I was DONE. PROFESSIONALLY.

My mom watches the show too, so she shouldn't mind too much... I'm probably just gonna mute all of the Dean/Castiel scenes and play with sock puppets and make up dialogue.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

OH MAN I KNOW. That scene still bothers me so much. That was when I think Sam really started to slip because it was like Castiel kicked a puppy dog. DUDE, Sam had so much faith and was just crapped on over it. I don't. I.. man when he didn't shake his hand that got me pissed mainly because it was Castiel snubbing him and meanwhile Sam probably thinks 'I believed in this alot and all they do is yell at me and tell me to stop what I'm doing without giving me a solid reason' See, IMO, if they had wanted to stop Sam they would have talked to him more, tried more, IMO, instead of being like 'stop' they didn't want to stop him and they know it. It's just one big fat excuse to hide behind because if they had, why the hell would he have been let out of the panic room, why wouldn't he have someone with him making sure he didn't do those things. No, IMO, if they wanted to stop it they could've and they know it and that's what bugs me. And I don't ever think God was even 'in the building' so to speak because I really don't think he'd be happy but if he was? Damn. Show!God is just as screwball as Show!Angels, Show!Demons and Show!Lucifer.

And I'm sorry for the long rants. LOL.

Sock puppets \o/ Both of mine watch, it's fun to watch with them but mainly my Mom because she's a non-online, closeted (kinda) wincester. So I always enjoy her comments on things, it makes it seem funnier.

[lavendergaia]

Hahahaha, no it's okay, I agree with your rant! It always saddens me how Sam must think that God doesn't agree with him and doesn't love him and I think he put so much faith in things like that and it just breaks my heart. I had a tiny melt down when I found out they were naming one of the episodes "the Rapture" just because I thought they were doing the the actual rapture and I threw a crying fit because God didn't love Sam.

Hee, that's awesome. My mom just agreed to go to a con with me.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

OH good. I'm sort of a meta chatterbox if you get me going well enough.

*nod, nod* See that's when I think he started to really teeter on things because it's like he thinks God doesn't care about him (and even Uriel said he was pretty much expendable) which sucks because yeah we get it. Show!God likes Dean lots and lots but to heck with his brother he's useless to me. UGH and yeah that ep is so not on my favorites list.

Cool. Both of mine have been to one with me they found it...interesting? lol

[lavendergaia]

You probably don't talk nearly as much as me. My premiere SPN review was over 5000 words long and it's still not my longest review.

If I was Sam, I wouldn't think God cared about me either. What I really want to know though is where he went when he died back in season 2. YED wanted us to think that he went to hell, or at least make Dean think that, but did he? Or did he go to Heaven?

My mom was just happy for the vacation.

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

No, you're right I don't but I don't mind if other people do it I've always been kind of quiet-ish. Long meta is never a bad thing though.

Yeah, I do want to know where he ended up it was never really specified but I wonder if he did go to hell and something down there happened before Dean went that lead someone to think Dean would break the first seal. But who knows. I'm just sad it was never really said because(and I could be wrong it's been a while since I've re-watched) everything leans towards Sam being Azazel's boyking and him automatically going to hell because of that maybe? But on the other hand I don't think they've out and out said that like they have about Dean because apparently everybody in the pit wanted a shot at him. I would just guess from that it meant they wanted Sam too, but IDK because if they did get him would he take over hell or be just another 'wanted' commodity like Dean? Because at that point Azazel was still kind of alive and even though Sam didn't know it he had followers (eg. "Sin City") he still might've been able to maybe take over?

And if this makes no sense I so need a rewatch of Season 2. LOL On the other hand he could've went to heaven but I don't know.

Ha. Awesome.

[brianshanelvr.livejournal.com]

Dean better get angry and firey about it, if what Castiel did comes out. I can't imagine! I can't look!

[lavendergaia]

I really hope he does, but I can totally see them not going that route just because people are scary and Kripke is a chickenshit. I want Dean to start throwing punches again.

[brianshanelvr.livejournal.com]

Kripke! Darn you! He needs to grow some BALLS!

[lavendergaia]

He really does. So much of things would be better if he didn't cave into other people. He can cave into me and give me a Mary show, that's fine, but he should stand up to everyone else.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I fear this too. Knowing our luck it'd probably be like ...

Castiel: You need to stop being so hard on your brother, Dean.
Dean: What are you talking about?
Castiel: I let him out. We needed Sam to kill Lilith.
Dean: Oh, Cas. You're so silly. C'mon, beers are on me.

[lavendergaia]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Like, I DNW this to happen at all, in any way, shape or form. I might shoot someone.

[brianshanelvr.livejournal.com]

I hope it all comes out too! How about the voicemail!

[gwendolynmstacy.livejournal.com]

The voice mail too, though, TBH, I think it was either Ruby or Zachariah that changed it [the voicemail] IMO but yeah.