Supernatural : 6x01 : Exile on Main Street.

[certainthings]

Even though I don't know how I feel about this show I am going to be really spammy about it.



So, Dean said (and this is slightly paraphrased) "I only went to them (Lisa and Ben) because you told me to!" or perhaps he said, "because you asked me to!"

... WHAT? Like, seriously that is the ONLY REASON Dean's there now? Or well, that's the only reason he started out there? No, but seriously seriously?

If Sam had said to him, 'I want you to poke yourself in the eye and ride a horse off a cliff' Dean would have done that?

I get that Dean's got issues but not that long ago when Sam said to him, 'I think we should split up.' he was all fine with that AND ... what? Did we miss all the phone calls Dean made asking Sam what he should do every moment? Or is it just for big moments (the ones that even if you see 'em coming you're not ready for them) that he asked Sam.

I do not understand this show and it's logic at all.

eta: When Buffy died, all she told Dawn to do was "live" ... why couldn't Sam say the same? And okay, maybe I'd get if Dean went there for a bit to stay there for a year? I don't know.

Comments

[alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com]

If Sam had said to him, 'I want you to poke yourself in the eye and ride a horse off a cliff' Dean would have done that?
I honestly think the answer to that question would be yes because I think Dean will do WHATEVER Sam says, irregardless of consequence, without thinking of himself because to Dean, Sam is all that matters. Even dead.

[gretazreta.livejournal.com]

I thought that when Sam fell in the hole, Dean was just distraught and rudderless and would have spent the rest of his short life trying to get himself killed, but he'd made that promise to Sam.
But Sam obviously MADE him make that promise because he thought it was something that Dean could live with, a chance for him, if you like, and as it turns out, it WAS something that Dean could live with.
And having done that, even if Dean would like to go with Sam, he's got a new commitment/responsibility to seeing Lisa and Ben are all right. So he's TORN. I really hope they don't kill Lisa and Ben. That would SUCK. But if they don't I'm not sure how they're going to get the SamnDean dynamic back.

But then, Sam seems very demonic/angelic/PTSD. So we need Sam back before we can get SamnDean back.

I'm not sure how I feel about the show either but I'm enjoying thinking about it!

[snuffkin.livejournal.com]

This was the first episode where I just couldn't handle their "logic". I mean I could understand it if Dean had been there for a week and Sam returns and Dean's like "I'm just here because of you."

But he stayed a whole fucking year just because Sam said so. and then he's pouting a whole episode just to tell sam that ... no he has to stay with them because... I don't even know why.

The writing is just SO BAD. I can see Dean doing that but from a story point of view its just really dumb because whatever happens now it's either Dean is an asshole or so cliché because another girlfriend has to be killed off so that Dean can go and play with his brother.

I really don't know why they put in the whole year later thing :(

this whole stay with lisa and ben has been a stupid idea from the start. *hates*

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm on board with the idea of it sorta but to stay a whole year so far? I don't know. I just ... Meh. I don't know why Dean likes Lisa or Ben beause I don't know anything about them. So, there's that. And Dean knows what his upbringing was like, knows what his world and THE world is like and to be a Father Figure and a Husband Figure, I don't know if I'd believe Dean would do that, put others through that even if it was secretly what he wanted or what Sam wanted for him.

I'm not sure if any of that made sense.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Dean needs some balls.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Yes. This.

A week, I could get but a fucking year? It doesn't make any sense.

I don't think this show pays attention to itself.

[sevenandthree.livejournal.com]

Dean always does this. They both do. It's the Winchester way. Are you surprised?

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I guess I shouldn't be.

[fromyourashes.livejournal.com]

Your post is directly preceded by this post (http://dauntdraws.livejournal.com/34129.html) and I'm just lol'ing to myself.

Anyway, I maintain my view that Lisa is a shitty parent, the people who came up with the whole Dean + Single Mother storyline did not ask any single mothers what they might think of the whole thing, and the entire thing sucked ass.

And when Dean leaves and Ben has to deal with that, it's going to be one less reason to like the direction the show has headed in and one more reason to dislike Dean.

Fridays, man. It's where all the shows go to die.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

Someone else on my FL brought this up about Dean and I'll C & P the same response here:

That's the fundamental problem of Dean as a person/character - he hasn't made very many of his own decisions in his life. At least MAJOR decisions. He didn't have to listen to Sam, but he did. He took orders. Like the good soldier he was brought up to be. Like John himself had told him to get thee to a nunnery one night stand with some kid which may or may not be yours. Sam didn't do that to him, he did it to himself by not making his own choices.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

re: single mother SL.

I don't even have kids. And was fortunate enough to have both of my parents until my father died. But that was a HUGE insult to single mothers of sons (and even DAUGHTERS) everywhere. To make it sound like a boy can't look up to a woman, whose obviously done VERY well for herself WITHOUT a man, as a symbol of strength and courage. What the fuck decade are you living in, Sera? The 1950s??

[goonies-nsd.livejournal.com]

I saw someone reference "What is and what should never be" in regards to this question. It was all about what Dean wished hadn't happened (mom hadn't died), what he wished for himself (to be out of hunting, on his way to his apple pie family, etc) and what everyone else wanted for him too. Dean is in serious denial about wanting that for himself. That's all I got.

I'll try to find the link if you're interested. It's good stuff. Even includes research and actual quotes from the episode!

Eta: oh! One of the things was that Dean said he wanted to stay so bad.

[fromyourashes.livejournal.com]

When they first introduced Lisa, I thought that's where they were going with her in regards to Dean. I was all set to see Dean get slapped in the face with reality and be able to identify with a female character on the show, and instead they turned her into a simpering little thing. I mean, who raised Ben? Because it seems to me that she couldn't have done it, not if she's anything like they're making her out to be.

It's obvious that they're definitely not trying to impress all the women in my demographic, and I'm sure there are tons of us out there watching this show.

And considering Dean Winchester as a character, I simply don't buy that he'd purposely put a child in danger. He said that he knew it'd come down to this, that something always comes (I forget the exact line), so if that's true, why stay there at all? Why would Sam, someone who despised growing up in that life, send him to Lisa and Ben? Meh, the whole thing is ridiculous.

[agt-league.livejournal.com]

I like your spam. :)

I do not understand this show and it's logic at all.

Yeah, me neither. I gave up trying to figure it out when they turned the trickster into Gabriel. Like... whaaaaaat?

[lotrabc.livejournal.com]

I took that early S5 separation as Dean still being all betrayed and hurt, and finding it easier to bear by not having Sam around him for a while. But by the time Sam made him promise, they were making up, then the epic love saved the day, and Dean had hearts in his eyes and basically, yes, when they're good with each other, he will do whatever Sam asks.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, not being a parent I hadn't given much thought to that aspect of it but after reading your post about it ... Hell yeah. You're right. No decent mother would allow Dean in their house like that, especially since she knows who he is and what he does/has done.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Dean really needs a pair of balls.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I can see him wanting it in theory, thinking it'd be all grand and swell but I don't know if I can actually believe him acting on it.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Thanks, I gots me a lot of spam.

Yeah, that's still pretty bullshitty. The Trickster was fine as The Trickster.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I suppose. I just think that Dean should start thinking for himself more.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

Yes, he needs to. And it's fucking ridiculous for him to not be getting over that issue by this point. Esp. after the way Heaven and the angels exploited that aspect of him during season four and portions of season five in order to get him to do what they wanted. But, well, fandom's gonna be on his side no matter what, so who cares?

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

I thought the point of that episode was it illustrated how much good had come from the bad he (and Sam and John) had experienced in their lives. They might not've had normal and somewhat of a happy existence (I mean, Sam didn't even associate with Dean in that world), but a LOT of people were allowed to because of the work they do. Then again, I might be stupid and be totally wrong.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I sometimes wonder how Fandom would react if Dean because a Nazi or did something / became something as equally horrible. Seriously.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

Hhahaha. Oh, honey, I can already tell you fandom's reaction to that conundrum: "IT'S ALL SAM'S FAULT FOR BEING A SHITTY BROTHER." I swear to God, it's hard to tell I'm a Dean girl anymore.