Supernatural: 3x08: A very Supernatural Christmas

[certainthings]

- If Sam was a chubby 12 year old, when did he get chubby? When he was 12? A month before?

- How old was Sam in '91? Dean would've been 11ish, no? And wouldn't that put Sam around 9? Didn't John give Sam a gun when he was 9? Was this after Christmas?

- ETA: Okay, I thought they were 2 years apart. Not four. Why, I thought this, I do not know. Still, I thought Sam looked like he should've already had that gun for the monsters in his closet.

- Poor young Sammy.

- I love that Sam gave the amulet to Dean. And I love that I said, "the amulet" before Dean opened it. It's rare that I call these things. I need Colbert to teach me his ways.

- "We're here to watch." Ahahahahha.

- Evil!Santa reminded of "The Breather" from Student Bodies, and if you haven't seen that movie you really really should.

- "Why do they always run away from me? It's the galoshes. They're a dead giveaway. Why do I wear them? It isn't even raining!"

- "Hasn't there been enough senseless killing? Let's have a murder that makes sense!"

- ... I should stop copying and pasting quotes from the movie.

- Rose Abbot being all evil! I bet Harold drove her to it. *nods*

- The ending. Oh, God. Oh, boys! *hugs them* *cries*

- So I really really enjoyed this episode. Like a lot.

- But. Uhm.

Kripke: What I really rub my hands together in glee about is that we are far and away the most violent Christmas special in the history of television.

Violent compared to what? A Charlie Brown Christmas? Sure parts were a bit gory but I wouldn't call it "violent". Unless you were one that called It's a Wonderful Life violent.

Comments

[pushingyouaway.livejournal.com]

- How old was Sam in '91? Dean would've been 11ish, no? And wouldn't that put Sam around 9? Didn't John give Sam a gun when he was 9? Was this after Christmas?

i was thinking the same exact thing!

oh boys! oh show!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

It was a really good ep, but they really should check what they've said before throwing new canon at us.

[laurondo.livejournal.com]

I was expecting the episode to be just as "violent" as the last one, but nope. Sad to say I was a tiny bit disappointed with that too, lol.

I read that Sam is supposed to be 8 and Dean 12, which makes no sense, but this is what I've been told.. so... yeah.

[fromyourashes.livejournal.com]

They're 4 years apart. But yeah, Sam DID look about 9. So I'm going with, John found out a few days later and THEN gave him a gun, yeah.

[titti]

Sam was born in may of 83, which makes him 8 and Dean is born in Jan. 79, making him almost 12. Yes, I'm a date freak, sorry.

The ending was heartbreaking.

Well there was some torture with the nail pulling and ewww.

[lalita82.livejournal.com]

I was thinking the same thing too, Sam look almost the age of Dean. ://

So I really really enjoyed this episode. Like a lot. SO DID I!!

A very gory Christmas a bit, no?!?

[barkinmad.livejournal.com]

Especially if it was canon from the Pilot.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Why do I always think they're two years apart? Huh.

S'good theory.

[apey1013.livejournal.com]

Yeah, there were a couple little inconsistencies in the flashbacks that made me twitch but I made myself turn a blind eye. I mean Sam WAS younger than that when John supposedly handed him the gun for the monster in the closet, right?

Young Sammy's rockin' the emo AND the bitchface. Boy started quick.

I was so glad that is was the amulet and I called it, too. Yay, we're learning!

Sam needs to work on the whole "thinking before speaking" thing, eh?

I missed the first few minutes of the ep so when I saw evilnot!Santa come down the chimney I was bouncing up and down chanting "eat the kid eat the kid chomp on that adorable child!"

The ending: AGREED. *hugs them*cries*hands them gifties and booze-laced eggnog*

I think It's a Wonderful Life is violent to my braincells. Fucking Capra...

[pushingyouaway.livejournal.com]

oh, i definitely concur. i think it matches up, but it kind of doesn't make sense. one would think that sam would have known before he was 9 about what his dad does/why he's always away

...or maybe he wasn't ready. i don't know.

[arabella-hope.livejournal.com]

I like the singing and the bleeding and the end and the wee!ones and the funny-awkward and I didn't think I liked it that much but. Apparently I did.

[fromyourashes.livejournal.com]

Cuz of the fuck ups with college and the 2-4 year gap thing they messed up there.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

No need for sorrys, that's actually quite helpful.

A little bit of violence, yes but certainly not enough for "the most violent". IMO, anyway.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I was expecting MOAR violence. I was prepared to laugh at the amount of violence.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

They did look pretty close in age.

Pretty gory, yeah.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Hear hear!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Maybe they had to wait until he "took off [his] dress and ended this little tea party" before they could tell him. :p

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Singing! Yes, I knew I was forgetting something important. I loved that bit.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's a good reason.

[pushingyouaway.livejournal.com]

hee! that's it!

[laurondo.livejournal.com]

I was prepared to do the "EW! ...cool! :D" like I usually do.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Sam probably should think before he speaks, but I kind of like that he doesn't.

I was kind of hoping that Evil!Santa was going to eat the kids too. That would've been kind of fun and a lot more "violent", I think.

Do you not like It's a Wonderful Life?

[titti]

I'm glad my love affair with dates could help.

It's not the most violent SPN, but off hand, I can't think of any Xmas episode for any show that's got torture. LOL

[cityphonelines.livejournal.com]

And I love that I said, "the amulet" before Dean opened it. It's rare that I call these things.

Same. Here.

Hmmm... 8 year old Sam must've picked up a mean Funyuns habit between then and 12 if he was a chubbers at 12. *waits for Funyuns addict!Sammy fic*

[apey1013.livejournal.com]

True.

Exactly. I mean, I was happy with the violence in this episode but I dunno if it's the most violent x-mas ep ever (although nail-pulling is fairly cringe-inducing).

I have a particular disdain for the Capra, yes.

[emerald-nebula.livejournal.com]

I don't know whether to be happy or sad! I should be happy because that episode was made of win but I'm sad because boys make me cry.

And now I've just remembered the awkward Christmas!porn ('you can jingle my bell') and I think happy is beginning to win.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Hahahah. It's how he dealt with learning about monsters.

Dean: Sammy, how are you putting on weight? We run and train every day. You're 10 years old for Christ's sake, you shouldn't have a beer gut.
Sam: [holds up bag of Funyuns and burps] Monster's not going to want a fat kid, right?
Dean: Hansel and Gretel ring any bells, brother?
Sam: Witches are real too? Christ. [tosses Funyuns bag on the floor]
Dean: [rolls his eyes] But monsters hate sloppy lazy kids.
Sam: Really?
Dean: No, you idiot!

[cityphonelines.livejournal.com]

That? That entire conversation? Is canon. Factual factoid.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha. Yay me!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Hahah. I kind of want to see more of the Christmas porn that guy was watching.

[bubbles83.livejournal.com]

My mom called the amulet thing too. The whole episode left me so happy that it's like I'm on a fluffy cloud of awesome.

The thing that got me was Sam getting his nail ripped off. That is one of my fears, so seeing it happen was just GAH making.

[citibyrd.livejournal.com]

Ohhhh, she played Rose Abbot! I knew she looked familiar. Thank you!

Loved this episode. It was all heart-clutchy!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Welcome.

Heart-clutchy and heart-breaky

[uglyduckling-me.livejournal.com]

and what about Sapphire Barbie? now we know where Sam's doll fetish obsession mild, passing fancy comes from...and it's all because of Dean!

*looks around* I was the only one that remembered the doll thing from Playthings, wasn't I? *sigh* I have to stop being such a geek like that...

[pippilottah.livejournal.com]

Sam was chubby when he was 12? Huh...

Evil Santa made me think about Anya and when she told Dawn that Santa was real (I don't remember it exactly but I believe she said he was evil and killed children or something like that)

Were you doing Colbert victory arms when you called it? I didn't see it coming at all but I loved it!

[agt-league.livejournal.com]

Oh show. *clings*

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Ahahahah. Yis! The dolls are Sam's way of reminding himself that Dean loves him.

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

Yeah, at some point Sam says something like, "It's Sam, Sammy was a chubby 12 year old."

That's what I thought of as soon as I saw the promo for the ep way back when. Uh, Anya telling Dawn and the others that Santa is real but "he doesn't traditionally bring presents so much as, you know, disemboweled children."

I did not do the Colbert victory arms, I really should have

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

So heartbreaky.

[gottalovev.livejournal.com]

If Sam was a chubby 12 year old, when did he get chubby? When he was 12? A month before?

that's a great point, because yeah, wee!sam was on the skinny side. but I loved your explanation above! lol!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

With the funyuns? :)

[kilynn16.livejournal.com]

Rose Abbott! thank you. I could not for the life of me remember where I knew her from.

huh, I thought this ep was a lil low on the gore/violence. was a bit disappointed, to be honest.

but you know what makes up for it? boys!!!

[certainthings.livejournal.com]

I thought it was quite low too considering the glee that was Kripke - maybe he just has a low gore/violence threshold?